Tuesday, 10 January 2012
Hell is missing from our modern bibles? I lol'ed
Apparently, Hell is missing from modern bible versions. According to this guy David Daniels, Sheol is the Hebrew word for Hell. If you read it, it makes perfect sense what it is talking about. Now considering that if you look in the NEW Testament at all the places where Hell is described, it doesn't make sense. For instance The outer darkness? Hell is dark? Shouldn't it be all lit up due to the flames? Thats from the Gospel of Matthew: "And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ [25:30]
So as you can see, The current doctrine of Hell is a bit rubbishy. Apparently some believe it only to be in reference to the banquet hall, or as a suburb of hell.
However the conditionalist doctrine, well it describes it perfectly..if the spirit of God is removed from someone, they die. if you destroy them completely they are completely dead, this would be the outer darkness described here. They are cast from the light [i.e. the light of God] into the place of death [where there is only darkness] However this soul is cast into the outer darkness, which is as far from God as you can get. There is weeping from the sadness at this conclusion [think of it as them being dragged out of the hall, weeping in terror and shouting blasphemies and gnashing their teeth in anger, powerless to act against God]
Anyway, according to Daniels his professors told him that "in the Old Testament they didn't know much about the afterlife" so they just named it Sheol, But if you read the KJV you see clearly that Hell is the right translation and makes perfect sense: lets assess this.
Then all his sons and all his daughters arose to comfort him, but he [Jacob] refused to be comforted. And he said, “Surely I will go down to Sheol in mourning for my son.[Joseph]” So his father wept for him.
If the KJV is right, then Jacob thought that his son Joseph was in Hell, and was willing to follow him there to be with him. What possible reason did Jacob have to believe Joseph was in Hell? Now not only had was Jacob beloved of God and named Israel, his son was showing signs of being a prophet. There was absolutely no reason for Jacob to believe his son was in Hell. [This is of course working the hypothesis that they believed in Hell, which scripturally it's already proven they don't]
So they and all that belonged to them went down alive to Sheol; and the earth closed over them, and they perished from the midst of the assembly.
Okay, I can see how the two verses [16:30 and 33 of numbers] could be seen as some kind of description of entry into hell. "They went down alive to Sheol" It looks bad for me, however this is A. described as a one off event of shock to Moses' people. And basically its the same as saying "They went down alive to the place of the dead", the israelites believed that the dead descended to a place of waiting, Sheol, and they stayed there awaiting the resurrection.They believed this place to be at the centre of the earth. Now this is just a belief, and you have to understand God didn't really pander to this belief. Look at the preceeding verses
29 If these men die the death of all men or if they suffer the fate of all men, then the LORD has not sent me. 30 But if the LORD brings about an entirely new thing and the ground opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that is theirs, and they descend alive into [d]Sheol, then you will understand that these men have spurned the LORD.”
31 As he finished speaking all these words, the ground that was under them split open;
If they die the death of all men or the Lord brings about an ENTIRELY NEW THING. This was the proof of the pudding. The one off event. This was only intended to prove that God had sent Moses. It was shocking because they had gone down alive to Sheol, as Sheol is intended for the dead. Yet our Hell doctrine says that the people in Hell ARE ALIVE. Which here proves they did not believe that they were.
Deut 32:22 For a fire is kindled in My anger,
And burns to the lowest part of Sheol,
And consumes the earth with its yield,
And sets on fire the foundations of the mountains.
Now obviously, this sounds incriminating, like Sheol is on fire as Hell would be. However note that so is the rest of the world in this description, it Just shows how God is a consuming fire, and his power extends everywhere.
6 “The LORD kills and makes alive;
He brings down to Sheol and raises up. 1 Samuel 2:6
Showing God's power over life and death.
2 Sam 22:6The cords of Sheol surrounded me;
The snares of death confronted me.
This is showing the power of death over David, that its inescapable, and that one day he will be pulled by the cords of death/Sheol. Notice how Sheol is always around when DEATH is mentioned, or killing. Because they believed this is where the dead go. But they remain dead in Sheol. Anyway this verse is followed by others that again show God's power over death.
Sheol is almost like the opposite of God, its a place of darkness and death, whilst Heaven is light and life.
I will stop here. Because I want to continue to refute this idiot. He claims that the translators of many major bibles refuse to translate Sheol. I can already say why they do. Despite his bickerings, Hell is not by ANY stretch of the imagination a valid translation of the word. It doesnt even come close. Sheol would require more words translated than if just left as it is with a footnote. It would be "The cords of the realm of death surrounded me. The snares of death confronted me". rather than what you see above.
Also, He says "Sheol is a Hebrew word, this is an English Bible", well Dave "Hell is a Norse word, this is an english Bible". In fact, hell comes from Norse mythology, with the odd splash of a few other cultures, including Greek. Daniels is so indoctrinated in his pagan-christianity that he can't see the wood for the trees. Here he is defending what he believes is sound doctrine against the push of liberalism and universalism. When he is WRONG. Totally and utterly, as are a vast majority of Christians who are being lied to. God is being made the bad guy. Will Satan torture billions in Hell? Nope, he will be one of the billions. Will God, ohhh yes, and you'd better repent before you die and he gets you BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,
Its just ridiculous.
Daniels looks very sincere. Like hes very worried about the future if this sort of thing carries on, eventually people may actually start reading Gehenna in the Gospels instead of Hell. Oh no!!
What will happen if there is a bible with not one word of Hell in it. Oh no apostasy!!
Sadly, the apostate is viewing the people who dont believe in hell, and the translators who are translating with integrity as the apostates, when its the other way around. We don't view God in our own image, Not believing in Hell, we can't condemn people there, or warn them that if they disagree with us they will end up in Hell. Saying if you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you will be judged and destroyed, or possibly even saved - who knows. is alot different.
Am I 100% sure what the end result will be? No, I know that the Great White Throne Judgement isn't going to result in EVERYONE in Hell, or destroyed for that matter. We seem to view God as either wrathful judge or mindless computer. When its far from the case. I am not going to jump into apostasy and say that noone will go to their deaths, as we already know that those who take the mark are lost forever and cannot be saved. But the question is, what about everyone else? Some will, some won't, I know the criteria for salvation is Jesus, and possibly helping a friend of Jesus. [You fed, you clothed, you watered, it was me Matt 25:32 onward]
So let me put it this way. David Daniels, is not a Christian. Not in the biblical sense. Hes a bibliolater, He believes in Jesus, but he also believes that Jesus is going to send people to fiery torture for eternity. Where Jesus never said anything of the sort. As I have paraphrased Sheep and Goats, lets have a look at this:
“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; It looks like the NASB is starting to sound a bit more like Hell, oh no!
An explanation for this is quite simple. Eternal fire sounds good.it slips off the tongue. The NASB has done a great job, however any christian looking at "eternal fire" after a lifetime of indoctrination will think instantly of hell.
lets look at Rotherham's on this
Then, will he say unto those also, on his left hand: Depart ye from me, accursed ones! Into the age-abiding fire, which hath been prepared for the adversary and his messengers; Matt 25:41
and then a few verses later
25:46 And, these, shall go away, into, age-abiding, correction, but, the righteous, into, age-abiding, life.
the NASB says
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
hmm. one says eternal punishment, the other correction that lasts an age. Now age-abiding sounds confusing. It means for the length of the age. So correction that lasts the length of an age. This essentially means for a very long time. It is punishment, its like the US Dept of Corrections. Except this is the Holy Dept Corrections.
Now let me again get this clear, I am not a universalist, and I know lives will end, people will go into the outer darkness, but some will be saved who in this life haven#t accepted Jesus. That is something to deal with at a later date as this is getting quite long, I also have to figure all this out in my head :P
God bless you all!