Saturday, 26 October 2013

The Pre-trib Rapture debunked - by Pastor Steven Anderson

Pre-Tribulation Rapture Arguments Debunked
Can you answer these questions?

1. The pre-tribber says…“The Olivet Discourse is talking to the Jews.” (i.e. Matt 24, Mark 13, & Luke 21)

Really? Can you prove that?
This is what Jesus said at the end of the Olivet Discourse:
Mark 13:37 “And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.”
The only reason pre-tribbers want to believe that the Olivet Discourse is “only talking to the Jews” is to explain away these key verses:
Matt 24:29-31Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”



2. The pre-tribber says… “The elect is talking about Israel, not Christians.”
Really? Then explain this verse:
Rom 11:7 “What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded”
How can “the election” or “the elect” be Israel in light of this verse? The term “elect” is used in the New Testament to denote ONLY those who are saved, whether they be Jew or Gentile.



3. The pre-tribber says… “The rapture can happen at any moment because Jesus said that no man knoweth the day nor the hour. The rapture could happen right now!”
Really? Where did Jesus say that? You’re not sure? Let me help you…he said it in the Olivet Discourse:
Matt 24:36 “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.”
Mark 13:32 “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”
In fact, that’s the ONLY place he said it. But I thought you pre-tribbers think that the Olivet Discourse is only talking to the Jews? Didn’t you say it was not about the rapture? Is it about the rapture or not? If not, then why are you using this verse to say that no man knoweth the day nor the hour of the rapture? If it is about the rapture, then you will have to deal with these verses:
Matt 24:29-31Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Have you decided yet? Maybe these verses will help:
Matt 24:40-42 “Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.”
These verses are OBVIOUSLY referring to the rapture.



4. The pre-tribber says… “There are no signs leading up to the rapture! It could happen at any time!”
Really? Do you have scripture for that?
Why did Jesus then tell us to watch? Watch for what?
Matt 24:42 “Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.”
Matt 24:33 “So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.”
Luke 21:31 “So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.”



5. The pre-tribber says… “Jesus will come in the rapture as a thief in the night!”
Really? Where does the Bible say that? Let’s look at it together:
1Thess 5:1-2 “But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.”
But let’s keep reading…
1Thess 5:3-6 “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.”



6. The pre-tribber says… “The rapture must be before the tribulation because God has not appointed us to wrath (1 Thess 5:9). God has always delivered his people before he poured out his judgment (e.g. Noah, Lot, etc.).
God’s wrath will not be poured out until after the tribulation!
Read these scriptures:
Matt 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:”
So the sun and moon will be darkened after the tribulation.
Rev 6:12-17 “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;” And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”
God’s wrath does not come until after the tribulation. The great day of his wrath (i.e. the Day of the Lord) comes after the opening of the sixth seal. The rapture takes place the same day, just before God pours out his wrath.
Matt 24:29-31 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

Originally posted at http://www.kjvprophecy.com

1 comment:

neo said...

You are wrong.Your catholic/orthodox idolatry of intercession/veneration of saints does amount to idolatry according to scriptures Exodus20:3-5,Revelations9:20,Romans1:16-32,Revelations21:8,1Corinthians10:14,Acts15:20 etc.
According to Revelations 21:8 all those who do idolatry will burn in eternal lake of fire and sulfur.
Pre-Tribulation rapture is the truth.Why?-Because Jesus said the day of the Lord will come like a thief in night-1Thessalonian5:2.
In 1Thessalonians4:14-18 and in 2Thessalonians2:7 pre tribulation rapture is clearly detailed.Of the 8 annual Jewish feasts that God ordained in Leviticus 23,first Passover signifies Crucifixion of Lord Jesus as the lamb of God for the sins of all mankind.
2-Week of unleavened bread signifies why Jesus died for our sins and ressurected 3 days after-to cleanse all our sins/leaven.
3-Day of First Fruits and 4-Harvest festival/Pentecost-signifies the apperance of ressurected Jesus to his disciples early in the first day of the weak,which signifies the coming great Harvest aka Birth of God's Church on the day of Pentecost after 7 weeks-50th day on the upper room as recorded in the book of Acts.
5-Trumpet festival-signifies coming of Lord Jesus Christ with the trump of archangel in mid-heavens to take all true christians to heaven and leave the hypocrites/namesake christians on earth(as at the time of rapture all people on earth will be christians atleast for namesake) for great tribulation of 7 years.
6-Atonement festival-signifies coming of Lord Jesus with 10,000 of saints and defeating satanic forces and setting up millenial kingdom ,which happens at the end of the 7 year tribulation period.
7-Week of Tabernacles/Shelters-signifies peace and prosperity of the millenial reign of Lord Jesus Christ.
8-Signifies final judgement of all people who aren't included in the rapture according to their works,and New heavens,New Earth and New Jerusalem for all eternity after that.

You can clearly see that festival of Trumpets come before the Atonement festival as rapture(trumpet) comes before the coming of Lord Jesus with power and glory to establish his millenial kingdom(atonement).
Also in the book of Revelations,first 3 chapters deals with the church,after that in 4th chapter we see 24 elders with crowns.Crowns /rewards are not given untill ressurection of the dead-rapture occurs-Luke14:14.Thus we see that rapture will occur before the 7 year tribulation period .7 year tribulation period is described in Revelations4-20:4.
The people who are included in the rapture a great multitude from every nation ,language and family on earth is described in Revelations7:9-17.

So may God bless you to see the truth and reality and come out of your false teachings and idolatry(of intercession/veneration of saints).
For more info,kindly visit my site worldharvest.blogspot.com and /or read the scriptures-Bible with an open mind.
God bless you.