In my 3 year walk as a christian one of the biggest problems I've faced is dealing with the doctrine of hell. Above all others this has been my biggest difficulty. Theres lots on the internet claiming to be the truth..talk of soul sleep and conditional immortality. Some of which I once believed, but no longer do. I decided thanks to some questions to do my best to answer this long held problem..is hell torment, or death, eternal in quality, or eternal in quantity.
Firstly, many of the issues we have come from modern 'bibles', as I don't use them anymore, the blog posts I've written in the past, and my beliefs are null and void. Where the King James says Hell, thats hell, so none of this sheol, hades, gehenna nonsense. They're one and the same thing. sheol describes Hades in the OT, Hades describes Gehenna, Gehenna is the post millennial hell, its the lake of fire. But its all Hell. From the moment you die, you're in hell, when you enter judgment and are cast into the lake of fire..you're in hell. When you enter outer darkness in the new creation, you're in hell.
"One doctrine of devils that has had its way in today's society with great ease it that of the doctrine that says there is a Hell that lasts for all of eternity and those residing do so in screams of torment."
well yes because the bible says: "The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow. Then called I upon the name of the LORD; O LORD, I beseech thee, deliver my soul." Psalm 116:3-4
"Do they believe a God that would send His one and only Son to die a torturous and humiliating death would create a place that would be used for TORTURE for ALL eternity? Does the character of God come off as a tyrant who enjoys hearing the screams of people who have decided not to worship Him? Would this sound like a way to "glorify" Him as a loving and giving Father? Or does this sound like a way to de-glorify Him as a mean and unmerciful tyrant?"
Yes, I believe God would send his only begotten son..to die the death of a sinner..seems reasonable to me that the sinner would endure the same judgment as Jesus, the difference is Jesus was raised again, he went to hell did he not? Yes the character of God comes off as a tyrant, who kills and destroys his enemies, God is Lord, Judge, Executioner.
"Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of
Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the
Holy One of God." Mk 1:24
"And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they
have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and
whosoever receiveth the mark of his name." Rev 14:11
Theres a simple fact, that those who believe in the conditional immortality/soul sleep doctrine stumble at any bible produced before 1881. These bibles were produced to suit a new 'liberal' concept of christianity, not a life ruling, life defining christianity that makes men tremble at God, but an evolution nodding, ecumenical christianity that yielded to science and didn't know itself truly..but is more a reed shaken by the wind. Hell is defined throughout the old and new testaments.
Now if Hell wasn't defined by the Old Testament..why would Jesus say in Matt 23:33 "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"
If I was a Pharisee, and someone said this and I had no idea what hell was..i'd say..what is hell? what on earth are you talking about? don't you mean sheol? where the souls rest? yet instead..nothing is said, Jesus continues to rail on them, then off he goes. Every modern bible fails in consistency, every child who reads it will have no idea what this sheol, hell, gehenna stuff is..and so men shall define it for them. God is not the author of confusion, yet these bible critics continue to make him seem so.
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count
slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should
perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9
This has nothing to do with hell, yet it is used to make it seem like God won't punish the wrong-doer.."Does this verse describe a God that WANTS to put you in hell?" Well, no, but it doesn't mean he won't. Men become reprobate, they deny God, they taunt and mock him, and eventually God says..fine..(Romans 1)..enjoy sin and reap your reward. God will send you to hell if you ignore his will for long enough, He gives plenty of warning!
"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: James 1:13"
Great dishonesty from the website here. Because the truth is the verse continues, its taken out of context, just because God doesn't tempt doesn't mean a man isn't tempted
" Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death." James 1:13-15
Sin bringeth forth death..and death bringeth forth either heaven or hell.
"No, the Lord God Almighty cannot be tempted of evil
and He would not SEND you evil. The Almighty and ever living Creator did
NOT create you to burn. He WANTS you to live!"
Well, God made you to live for eternity, but you sinned, and you didn't believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, so you're going to hell. You're unsaved. The punishment doesn't matter, you're still going to be punished.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which
the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall
melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up."
"He warns us because He loves us. He does NOT want us to burn and die
and be permanently separated from the Father who created us. Why? We
will NOT be with Him for eternity. And THAT is what He wants for you and
me. Such a love!"
But does that negate that it will happen? Parents don't want to spank their children yet they do, God chastises his children, and executes judgment on his enemies. Yes, the unsaved are ENEMIES of God.
"The Almighty is NOT the one putting anyone in hell.
It is the devil and his angels that confuse the world into CHOOSING hell
That is a complete lie!
"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured
out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be
tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels,
and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they
have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and
whosoever receiveth the mark of his name." Rev 14:9-11
Jesus has the keys to death and to hell (rev 1:18), and he gives those keys to his angel Abaddon in Revelation 9:1-11..
Rev 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."
"And death is ETERNAL SEPARATION from God and all that
is salvation and happiness. Notice the following verses... Remembering
all the while, that this is NOT God's will for you or me or anyone to
burn in hell."
Where is this? The bible says: "If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there." Psalm 139:8
" Ezekiel 18:32, "For I have no
pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore
turn yourselves, and live ye."
John 3:36, "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
If God has no pleasure in the death of him that dieth..yet people die..is that not the same as God not enjoying the eternal torment of the wicked..yet it happens anyway? Notice it says shall not see life (eternal life) but THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH (abideth = liveth) ON HIM.
"Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say
also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into
everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
"EVERLASTING FIRE?" Some use this verse to proclaim the fire will
last forever and ever and ever and ever... But look at these verses
using the same word "everlasting"
Fire that burns forever..
2 Thessalonians 1:8,9
"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that
obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished
with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the
glory of his power; "
the glory of his power being eternal life..the reverse being everlasting destruction..well destruction denotes everlasting already..if something is destroyed it is gone is it not? a term would be annihilation..but to add everlasting in there indicates that the process is forever. the person is in a process of destruction that lasts eternity.
The result of the FIRE is and EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION. The wages of
sin is DEATH not life eternal in hell fire! Life in hell fire would mean
we have a mean and very angry God who enjoys the screams of billions of
people for all eternity. This is the devil's plan to get you to believe
this is the character of God. The devil NEEDS you to look at God in
God will not be "enjoying" the screams of billions of people. When the new creation begins, these people will be in outer darkness.
"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. "
Why not just say "and these shall die and never be resurrected, but the righteous shall live forever". Trusting that the KJV is in the inerrant, infallible word of God, we can be sure that these people will be punished forever.
The point of the hell debate is to simply ask God what the truth is, to read it in his word. A website will give an opinion, a belief, but the true Bible, the KJV will simply give you the truth. "Thy word is truth"